This is the second time in as many years that 9/11 completely snuck up on me and I hadn’t thought anything about it. I only mention it because, hell, I happen to be on “vacation” and I’ve got the time.
My primary concerns today were some paperwork, relaxing with some vidya games, and the kinda related news coming out of Iraq and Syria. It wasn’t too long ago when today’s date would come by and I’d have some kinda personal vigil playing in my head over and over again. And now, well, scars heal I guess. Freedom Tower still looks super weird from here.
What's the context around the original drawn girl comic? What lead up to you making it?
Believe it or not, 4chan was the start of it. So… that probably won’t help the underlying thread discussing the comic as a misogynist woman hating patriarchal piece of filth. I digress. For those following me who never saw it, here’s the comic in question.
And here’s the original comic that most people hadn’t seen!
That little strip was drawn in under ten minutes, for a /co/ thread that has long LONG since died. I recall that the thread in question challenged visitors to make a comic in MSpaint really quickly. And I thought, hey that sounds like fun. But I didn’t have an idea just that minute, and I needed to take a shower anyway. While showering, I kinda got this idea of a pretty sad lonely figure drawing an adoring cartoon character, “Thanks dad!” So I had my punchline, all I needed was the build up. The most natural build up appeared to resemble the changes a character takes when you start designing them. And in the fictional reality, it looks like a character growing up. All those ideas came together and then I whipped up the MSPaint comic in a few minutes while my hair was still drying.
It kinda neatly ties up some ideas I’d been thinking about at the time. The meta narrative is very interesting to people now, you’ll find people are just as interested in the production side of things as they are in the final product. You find that especially true in the gossipy parts of 4chan’s comics and cartoon board. It kinda helps that many of them have toyed around with making their own comics too. So there’s a lot of people there who inherently understand what it is to try and create something and the joy it is to see something flourish. Yet it can be a sad story if the only person seeing these creations are yourself.
Surprisingly, years after I’d drawn it, people were still posting this little thing. And I’d thought, hey maybe I struck a chord with that one. And maybe I got a little full of myself but I started to see why it worked. I then thought about how I might update it. I could very well “draw it better.” So one night, I spent some time considering the layout and the panels. I wanted a couple more in there to showcase progression and to show the artist pencil coming into play. I took a little bit of time, finessing the “moral” a bit to become more ambiguous. Originally it was just a sad figure. Now I thought it might be good if his expression could be read as surprised? Scared? Sad? I also knew I wanted to render him differently, to give the impression that he existed in the “real” world. I didn’t want to use a photo or anything, because one I didn’t have a person on hand I would’ve wanted to use their photograph. And two, it would probably distract more and be much more inherently creepy than another drawing would be.
Pseudo, m'man, I'll agree with you that 4chan isn't all bad, and there's bad apples in any group. I'll agree with you that there's people on tumblr that make me cringe every time they make a post. But come on, it's not even a week after 4channers proudly hacked into celebrities' accounts to steal nudes. tumblr's never done anything like that, or like the "beat up Anita" game (I hate her but fucking hell), or trolling parents of a kid that "an hero"ed himself, etc. The bad of 4chan's a bit worse.
This is the last ask of the evening cause I gotta get to work. I’m afraid it probably won’t be as artful as the last one. But thank you, you’ve all been a wonderful audience.
Anyway, you’ve gotta look at how 4chan works. Ultimately it’s just an open (and anonymous) forum. If say, Isis fighters proudly talk about their mass executions on Twitter, would you say that All of Twitter is equally culpable?
4chan doesn’t exactly have an editorial management involved, occasionally coalitions coalesce but they fall apart just as easily because of how temporary everything is. And when you consider that things disappear on 4chan pretty quickly, it may have been someone’s thought to first upload the images to 4chan. But it spread through everywhere else. I bet it spread here on tumblr even quicker than /b/ would have done alone.
Consider the structure, and you can then get a clearer picture of what the content represents. 4chan in my opinion, on the celebrity nude photo theft, is itself not to blame. I’d reserve more hate on editors and producers on tv stations who’re blaming the women for having the gall to take photos of themselves.
The person or persons who did the hacking, they’re pretty despicable people. The “beat up Anita” game? That sounds horrid and irresponsible. Trolling of that kid’s parents? Well that’s ridiculously low.
But the truth is, 4chan being an open forum and again not a kind of magazine or club or actual collective, isn’t what’s causing there to be bad people doing bad things. If 4chan the site didn’t exist as is, then something else would exist for these people to trade posts on.
Anyway, holy crap, I spent like an hour on asks and have flooded my blog with the very things I never wanted to. Let me just get back to art. If this particular answer is crappy and unsatisfactory, I apologize. I’ve got other things on my mind.
Aren't you afraid of being associated with the misogynistic shitpile that is 4chan?
I’m afraid of a lot of things. I’m afraid that the modern way of life might become unsustainable. I’m afraid of falling asleep on the road, because I was out too late at night and too tired to know any better. I’m afraid that being an independent illustrator now might leave me with no retirement funds for if my hands go arthritic or my eyes go blind.
But one of the things I’m most afraid of are people who don’t know a thing about what they’re talking about. People have always found ways to simplify entire groups of “others” just to make sure they’re right. And if all you see when you see 4chan are the worst people there, get a mirror and look at tumblr here, or reddit there, or twitter over yonder. People who have to simplify things into evil little boxes are what make me truly afraid. Because I can take myself getting abuse, I’m grown up enough to know better. But when people in general stop understanding that the world is a complicated place with dimension and character and beauty and problems, that’ll be when the species truly ends. I am deeply afraid of that.
I ain’t afraid of being associated with 4chan, any more than I am afraid of being associated with tumblr, with gamers, with America. Each of those things have harbored some of the worst examples of subhuman shit stains the world has ever seen. But that doesn’t matter all that much does it?
All I can ever promise is try to be a good person. If all people want to do is put a label on me and dismiss me for frequenting a place that is also traveled by the obscene and the hateful, then forgive me for trying to live.
What I wanna know is what's up with all these robot girls you draw!? I mean seriously does someone like pay you to draw them?
The secret is that I’m actually three different people, we cycle back and forth on different drawings so we can never get bored of any one subject and we can work lots of ridiculous hours. But one of us is actually a robot, and pines away their share by drawing attractive robot ladies. The fact that you happily fund much of their work, is considered a bonus.
Do you not plan to draw any more of your Salamander thinger? Or is there somewhere that you have drawn more that I have to pay for that I'm unaware of? Because I'd gladly do so, I enjoyed that little series.
Unfortunately that might not happen. The truth is, though we always seemed to get close, no one actually picked it up. And me and my partner in crime there weren’t the types to go and self publish. For one, being mostly anonymous has made it really hard to market ourselves!
But it’s quite possible we can sell/give away the original pitch document with 12 page short story that exists as a neat little PDF online. It wouldn’t be a promise of the series continuing, we have Cassiopeia Quinn to look forward to now. But I think (we think) it might be good just to have it out there so people can check it out. If they think it’s rad, they can let us know.
Some days I look out across those hills of boobs and butts, and wonder what wonders lie across those vast tracks of land. My mind wanders there, being free to imagine far off places beyond what we know. Are they new worlds rich with untold spice. Or do the edges of the map lay dragons, death. Someday I shall see for myself. As all cheesecake artists must when their fields go barren and their life nears its apex. When death is certain, we journey forward unafraid.
have you played and beaten new vegas on hardcore mode all the way through?
I beat new Vegas on hard with all dlc but haven’t done a hardcore run yet. I may consider it with that mod one of the fellows at Obsidian made to retweak it. As it is, it doesn’t sound fun to go hardcore.
I’ve also put far too many hours into it and seen much of the story already. So until Project Brazil reaches completion I can put the game to bed.
Do you have any tips for an aspiring artist that struggles to draw? I find it highly disappointing when I do a couple doodles and don't get the results I want, and most days it can be difficult to even pick up a pencil ):
First lemme do the tough love bit. You’re an aspiring artist right? So you’re gonna have to draw on most days. And many of those days, you’re really really not gonna want to draw. I get those days too. Everyone gets those days. But if you want this job or not, you’re gonna have to prove to yourself at least that you can draw through a bad day. Grit your teeth, let your mind go zen if you need it, just make something on paper that wasn’t there before.
And you’ll be better for having done it. Whether or not it was a bad drawing, or a good drawing, you’ll still have more drawings than the zero you would’ve made just sitting there.
The next bit is maybe more “fun.” If you’re just starting out, or if you’re really struggling to come up with something, just sit down and try one of these activities.
Play around! Pick a new tool you haven’t used before and just play with it. I do this all the time with brushes or programs. I just sit there and draw random shapes and shade them or put colors next to each other and see what they look like together. Just play like you’re five years old again and the drawings don’t have to look like anything. It’ll be impossible to hate what you’ve done, Make decisions on the page based on what “feels good.” Maybe you’ll stumble onto something no book could ever teach you.
Copy a favorite piece of art. I’m not encouraging you to go out and sell your forgery, mind you. Just go and see something you liked, and try and emulate it. This has the advantage of having a very specific end goal you can achieve, to compare your progress against the real deal. There’s no pressure to get it exactly right, and you’ll get to flex your skills trying to figure out how they did it. And if you can find someone who shared their progress shots, consider those a handy cheat sheet!
There’s no pressure, anon. Learn at your own speed. You’ll draw, and they won’t really be as good as you picture them in your head. Here’s the truth, it almost never ever is. You just have to get over that, or else you’ll be still stuck mourning your bad drawing instead of going on to the next drawing. Learn to move on. Remember your mistakes, let them make you more powerful the next time. You’re not dead yet, ain’t nothing gonna stop you from drawing again except yourself.
For a while now I’ve been kind of meaning to write a long, in-depth post about 4chan. With the recent controversy between them and some significant feminist figures in the gaming industry, I think it’s important that I finally go ahead and do this. Since, let’s be honest: any time there’s a big…
I still love 4chan, I have (through some miracle) met some of my best friends on there. And a lot of my favorite pieces I’ve ever done were inspired by their boards.
My only addendum to Kazerad’s almost overly positive piece on 4chan is that the same “conspiracy” mindset that it extends to other sites or personages around the internet also pops against themselves. The same anonymity which is incredibly important to making 4chan work at its best also fuels it at its worst. And if you’ve been inside the community long enough, or have read one too many plainly copypasta’d troll posts, you can become cynical of anon’s motives.
This shows up most on anything that has reached any degree of popularity. It’s impossible to come up with concrete facts to back up this statement, but after a point there’s the suspicion that many of the posts you’re reading are coming from the same source. This is especially true if you’re reading something you disagree with. And there’s a lot of suspicion among each other that one or a few people are perpetuating a single line over the course of days or weeks or months to create the impression that they represent a majority of the collective.
This isn’t impossible, it just takes a significant amount of time invested in making sure you’re there everyday with the same repetitive comments. They’ll often ignore evidence to the contrary just to repeat their point, and are impossible to be held accountable to. They’re not seeking discussion, they’re only seeking dissemination of their agenda. (Just like many other internet persons with a point to make) And the suspicion that every other post could be this same person pretending to be coming from more than one person can make certain discussions toxic to 4chan itself.
There are a number of conversations where anons just give up trying to correct people who have an unwillingness to adapt their views, the more persistently repeated view point then continues on to “win” the long war. And this method can change things pretty maliciously. In this way, it’s not all that different from how Tumblr or the internet at large can behave at its worst. 4chan users can still be just as unaccountable to facts or healthy discussion as any other site on the internet.
But that’s all I should add on the subject. Anonymity is an important resource for all the points Kazerad had just made.
Being able to exist as a an identity-less anon, with a malleable opinion, with valuable things to learn or add to a discussion, is probably the closest to being a mind free of race, gender, disability, or age as you can get on this planet. For at least that one reason alone, I would say I still love 4chan.
When are you going to start doing commissions again?
oh god… when am I ever going to stop?
Okay that sounds more whiney than anything, but I have been doing tons of commissions. I’ve just kinda surprised myself with how long I’ve been taking on the Patreon “sketch commissions.” I need to fairly adjust the amount of time spent per sketch commission in accordance to how much I’m charging for each one. The main goal is to be sure each recipient is still super happy with each piece. But I should look into reducing the amount of time spent on each one.
That said, I like pretty much every single commission that’s been thrown my way. And lots of people have sent me inquiries on larger pieces that I’m totally still interested in doing. But right now, there are certain projects that require my attention as well as the Patreon Commissions which have first dibs these days. I do occasionally on stream, take up impromptu sketch commissions and those are always fun. And in time, I should get back to the larger color commissions which earned a great deal for me back when I really needed them.
It sounds like my plate is pretty full. But I’m sometimes a bit of a lazy butt. I fully intend to play the crap out of the Sims 4 and Destiny in the very near future.
You know the way you always think, “That book could have been better if this character was written this other way.” Or how about when you say, “I’d like this show more if only they stopped doing this one thing.”
Take every single one of those thoughts you’ve had about other people’s works, and then collect them together. Somewhere in there, once you combine all the “things I would’ve done ifs”, are YOUR stories you were destined to tell ever since you were born.
No one is making the story you’ve got stuck in your head but you. If you wanted these things to happen, you’re going to have to step up and make em yourself.
so are you gonna be like Quentin Tarantino and put subtle references of some of your works in your other works? maybe kick it up a notch and put subtle indicators that they *GASP*, TAKE PLACE IN THE SAME UNIVERSE SOMEHOW. like erm, Tarantinoverse, or even Whedonverse.
I thought I was being pretty overt with the amount of stuff I’d been “sneaking” into each of my comics. Don’t quote me on this, as we’re free to change our minds about this whenever the hell we want in the future. But right now, we play around with mixing some of the concepts we’ve used before. The comic, Drone, may not happen in the near future but that’s the one I’ve slipped the most imagery from into Cassiopeia Quinn. There’s never any sense in letting all the other work go to waste, so finding ways to use them in future work sounds like a good idea to me.
But to have an established “universe” of creations requires a much wider net of creations than I have under my belt. Ask me again in another 10 or so years and we’ll see where we are about building a proper PsudoGunnyverse. We’ll have our own fan conventions and everything.
Um sorry to ask but I'm an idiot. What does 10pm est mean? I mean i know what the 10pm bit means but what is the est? Haha please answer for the idiot who is asking this question. :|
EST is considered a shorthand for the following applicable words: Estimate, Established, or most commonly Eastern Standard Time. Depending on the context clues you find your form of EST used in, one can approximate the word being used.
In this instance, “Stream M-F 10 PM EST” is a very concise way of naming a time for a livestream. M-F is shorthand for Monday through Friday. PM stands for Post Meridian, After Midday, which is used for telling time that differs from the Military or 24 hour standard time keeping. Considering the majority of the designation refers to schedules and time, it would be reasonable to assume that EST in this context refers to Eastern Standard Time which is the time zone for places like New York City and is considered 5 hours behind Coordinated Universal Time.
But considering I’m sometimes a bit frackin lazy, EST might as well mean Estimated because I walk into the stream anywhere from several hours ahead to an hour late or just whenever I freakin feel like it.
thx for the LOK spoiler. no really, i appreciate it.
Apologies, they were thoroughly tagged but not everyone has Tumblr Savior. Knowing that, I chose to keep it to a non literal representation of what happens in the last few episodes, you’ll find plenty of blogs that straight up post screen caps or drawings directly indicating the events of the last few shows.
But if you were only spoiled by me, you may want to check out the last few episodes of Legend of Korra anyway. Hell, check them out if only to catch a damn fine hour of “television.”
Your artstyle seems very compatible with 3d models. Have you tried doing those?
Is it? I don’t do enough turn around even for my own benefit, it’s hard for me to imagine working some of these drawings into 3d.
I have precious little experience with 3d modeling. When I have the patience to do it though, the patience to learn the involved 3d programs, I tend to be okay with crafting simple things. I may get back into doing this to help me with rendering vehicles across multiple panels with some better degree of consistency.
But drawing over 3d models has the drawback of almost always standing out from the rest of the page. So the benefits might have some drawbacks.
Some sleepless thoughts about video game marketing...
Yesterday we had two very different and very interesting examples of big viral news in the video game world. By now, anyone with their ear to the ground on gaming has heard both of these announcements. And the reaction to each of them couldn’t be more different. Both felt seismic in a different way. One is essentially a trailer reveal delivered in a next generation package, it would have been an applause line already even without the gimmick. The other was an unprecedented un-reveal, stepping back to what we left behind in the early days of the last generation systems.